Yes, I know that I usually never swatch anything. Or I swatch for an inch and call it good. I’m not fond of swatching, and I can usually come pretty close to gauge. Usually.
You will remember from my previous post that I had mysteriously obtained a pattern and some Malibrigo Lace in the aptly named Purple Mystery colorway. I wanted to start this shawl in the same way that a bear when she wakes up in the spring wants a little snack. And I was just about as cranky because I am trying to stay at least lace-monogamous and finish the Great Green Glob first.
So I swatched.
The Peacock Feather Shawl pattern includes a little stitch pattern for a swatch. The pattern has four repeats across a row, and one is to repeat four times, plus there’s a two-row/stitch garter border (total 28 stitches/row, 36 rows). The resulting swatch should measure 5″x5″ unblocked and 7″x7″ blocked.
That’s the theory, anyway.
My first attempt, on the specified US#4 (3.5mm) needles measured about 4″x4″ as knit and blocked out to a whopping 5-1/2″ x 5-1/2″. (If I squint a bit. It’s not really, exactly, perfectly square.) Not what I was looking for. I really did like the stitch definition, though, and the way the yarn knit up. I’m still petting it.
The picture above is attempt #2. Swatch B was knit on US#5 (3.75mm) needles, and I tried to knit really, really loose – especially on the purl side because my purl stitches tend to be tight.
Now, I know that trying to knit really loosely is not exactly a smart thing to do. Eventually you forget that you’re trying to knit really, really loosely because you’re knitting when you’re a bit tired, or distracted by the TV, or enjoying a bit of wine with a few knit-buds at knit-night. And the next thing you know you’re right back to knitting with the same old normal tension and all thoughts of loose knitting have flown out the window and you now possess a knitted item that has varying gauges that resemble areas of stone or driftwood floating in a swath of nice, loose sand.
The purposely-as-loose-as-I-could swatch was about 4-1/2″ high x 5″ wide and, after stretching it into within a micron of its life, harder than I’ve ever blocked anything ever, I manged to stretch it out to 5-1/2″ x 6″.
Besides, I knew in my heart of hearts that I really need to knit my normal style. I don’t want any surprises, here. No driftwood amongst my peacock feathers, please.
So this is Swatch C. It was knit on US#6 (4mm). It’s size pre-blocking was a respectable 4-3/4″ high and 5-3/4″ wide. Its blocked size is (drum roll please) — 5-1/2″ x 6″, or thereabouts.
Exactly the same size as Swatch B. I can only tell them apart because I used a completely different cast-on with Swatch C (so I could stretch it as far as possible), and I did a sort of wonky job of blocking it because it was late and I was tired.
You know that old saying about doing the same thing over and over again, each time expecting different results?
So I have been petting my swatches and pondering. I found errata for this pattern, interestingly enough for the swatch. The only known error in the pattern is that the instructions for the swatch should read repeat 4 times not repeat 6 times. It has been already corrected on my copy. Although, if I’d repeated the pattern another time or two, I might have gotten the darn thing square. No help here.
My next thought was to read the blogs of those who have knit the pattern. They all had the same two really interesting observations. First, the thing is the size of a circus tent. The finished measurements are 88″ across the top and 43″ down the center back. That’s a pretty large shawl. Second, nobody managed gauge, yet all of the knitters I read had managed to knit a triangle that was shawl-sized. Some had actually had the shawl block out to the pattern’s finished measurement, even though their gauge swatch was way smaller. The swatches lied, big time.
So here I sit, gentle reader, in indecision. I don’t want to knit yet another swatch.
I really like the stitch definition on the US#4s. But, by my calculations, that would reduce the size to around 63″ across and 32″ down the center. Unless it doesn’t, because the swatch is lying. I’m 5’3″ tall on a good day, so maybe that’s big enough (unless it’s bigger, you understand).
I think a swatch on a US#5 knit at my normal gauge and falling somewhere between swatch A and swatch C would be nice, too. I’m not wild about swatches B and C. I think US#6 are a bit big for this yarn, and knitting at a looser-than-normal gauge is not a terrifically good idea for reasons we’ve already discussed.
What do you think, gentle reader? What would you do? I have a while to ponder because the Great Green Glob still has a ways to go. If you’re anywhere near Portland and I happen to run into you, don’t be surprised if I whip out my swatches and ask your opinion. 😀
I’d use the size 5s. You’ll probably get close to the stitch definition that the 4s had and get a reasonable size.
Of course, if you’re okay with a smaller shawl, you could go for the 4s where you already know you like how the lace looks.
That’s probably no help at all, now that I reread it.
(I’m here via Maia Spins and can’t wait to see how this turns out.)
1Remark from Lauren — Wednesday, 8/15/2007 @ 7:38 PM
You obviously followed exactly my own thinking process. It’s a conundrum.
2Remark from Judy — Wednesday, 8/15/2007 @ 8:29 PM
If you’re coming to the Tigard Knitting Guild meeting tomorrow night, bring the swatches. I’d love to see them in person and I know you’d get LOTS of opinions! 🙂
3Remark from Cindy in Oregon — Wednesday, 8/15/2007 @ 9:19 PM
I’d go with the 4s, especially if everyone has been talking about how large it ends up. The stitch definition looks really nice at that size, too.
4Remark from Kathy — Thursday, 8/16/2007 @ 12:35 AM
I like the look of all your swatches (comparing open to solid grounds). I just finished my Peacock and it’s a HUGE shawl when it’s blocked out to the measurements from the pattern. I’m 5’10” and it’s longer than my fingertip-to-fingertip reach. If you’re smaller than I am, I would definitely make a smaller shawl.
I actually wish that I had gone down a needle size (this makes me think that I swatched to get the measurement from the pattern), as my solid grounds are not as solid as I would like them to be. I started it years ago, though, and I don’t remember anything about swatching.
I would go with the 4’s. It looks good, and you’ll be able to get a few more inches out of your wool yarn if it ends up a bit small.
5Remark from dana — Thursday, 8/16/2007 @ 8:48 AM
Ok. You like the stitch definition of 4s. I’d use the 4s. And knit more if for some reason it’s not large enough (another repeat?).
6Wow. I never swatch like that for a shawl. (FAMOUS LAST WORDS…)
(((hugs)))
Remark from Knitnana — Thursday, 8/16/2007 @ 12:48 PM
Redo the math so it works it the gauge you like.
BTW – I always have this problem in reverse. I must swatch with smaller and smaller needles because my gauge is so loose.
7Remark from Sally Villarreal — Thursday, 8/16/2007 @ 4:57 PM
PS – According to my Mom, EZ says needle size doesn’t matter, gauge is all in your hands. I say, that is a good way to make yourself miserable.
8Remark from Sally Villarreal — Thursday, 8/16/2007 @ 4:58 PM
There you are, swatching the yarn in the color that I almost bought (having already bought the Azul Profundo before I discovered the Purple Mystery), for a pattern that I have almost bought about a dozen times, (most recently at Stitches Midwest last week.
9I’m jealous.
Remark from Helen — Thursday, 8/16/2007 @ 5:12 PM
Here’s my friend’s experience.
http://titianknitter.wordpress.com/2007/08/13/peacock-feathers-shawl/
I say you do what she did and pick the needle size that gives you the fabric you like best. Do a little stockinette (or garter, or whatever the solid parts are going to be) and see how you like it.
10Remark from Amy — Saturday, 8/18/2007 @ 11:35 PM